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Anyone else sick of "that other forum" crapping all over CLE?
June 29, 2012
3:17 pm
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screaminemu

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I just need to vent.  Many of us are members over at airliners.net too, and no doubt we've all seen our fair share of "CLE is closing!" comments.  Seriously, though, if I "rip" on Airbus, for example, even if the thread is about Airbus, my post gets deleted and I get a stern warning from the admin.  If, however, the thread is about UA or a hub and someone throws in a "CLE will close just you wait it shouldn't even be a hub" that has NOTHING to do with the subject or the discussion, they just let that one slide all day.  And it's always some dick from the Netherlands or something!  Am I just being hypersensitive or is it really as obnoxious and insulting as I think it is?  We get it, you don't like Cleveland, now STFU!  You don't have to bring it up in EVERY SINGLE THREAD!

June 30, 2012
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Remember that us aviation geeks are just like any other large fanbase, and people will have their opinions and favorite airports/manufacturers. There was actually a rather long thread about CLE on A.net the other day and it received an equal amount of both positive and negative replies. UA personally stated CLE was profitable and not going away any time soon. Of course, you will always have the naysayers who shoot down anything that conflicts with their idea of how the airline should work. Just look at any thread about a major US airline and look at the abuse they will get. In the end it has little to do with business and more to do with picking favorites. For example you see the new UA getting bashed by bitter pmCO employees or Delta getting bashed because the flight attendant was kinda rude that one time. Remember it is just a forum and very few people there are actual experts.

 

That being said, most points they make about CLE are at least somewhat true. CLE is a small hub and almost entirely dependent on UA, therefore its long term future is very uncertain. In any topic about CLE or UA you will see heated debates about CLE's future, both supporting and opposing it. For a very similar example look no farther than CVG, that is another one that is highly contested among the A.netters. In the end remember it is just an airport and whether UA keeps the hub or not it isn't the end of the world. The reason airports like JFK or ORD see very little bashing is that they are well established and not at any risk of being abandoned. Smaller airports like CLE will often be bashed by these armchair "experts" who want to consolidate the airline business to 5 or 6 major airports because to them it makes sense.

June 30, 2012
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I still have a username on A.net, but I tired of the uneven moderation a long time ago. They even instituted a rule after I protested - that's why you cannot copy any part of an e-mail from a moderator to another place, not even to a different moderator! I was successful in getting one of the moderators fired, after I carefully documented his history of making deliberately antagonistic comments and sending insulting e-mails to me, including one in which he blasted me for something I had not done. (Nobody ever thought I'd actually call Demand Media!) So basically my advice is that you know where you can come for pro-Cleveland talk and news from people who really know the airport... right here. I only go back to A.net maybe once every three months just to see if any of my old pals have sent me a message.

June 30, 2012
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After reading the 60 plus replies in the A.Net forum thread I don't recall any over the top "crapping" on CLE. A few had some issues about the airport or the city, but I thought it was a pretty level headed discussion on the topic. It was no where near as nasty as some of those forum arguments I've read before. Most of it I understood, some stuff I didn't. Bottom line from my point of view, with my very limited knowledge of airline business matters, is as long as CLE is making enough of a profit to keep the bean counters happy, the hub will be here.

July 1, 2012
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Chuck Slusarczyk Jr.

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I check out the posts there from time to time too, but I haven't been active there for years.  I've especially tried to avoid the CLE closing posts, because ever since I started working there in 1992 it's been "closing."

I also have a natural aversion to those type of posts too, because I just don't want to hear it.  The whole idea of closing down, or downsizing to an out-station just freaks me out and I'll stick with my "head in the hole" philosophy until such time as I have to really pay attention.  Hopefully that day won't come.

I know nothing in this business is set in stone, nor am I oblivious to the things said over the years, but I can't afford to worry about it on a daily basis...the stress would kill me! 

July 1, 2012
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tk, who posts on this board, chewed me out for being publicly pessimistic lately about CLE's future, and he was right I suppose. Generally, on a.net, I try to post facts and let them speak for themselves. The thing about a.net is they have a lot of young, feeling-their-oats posters who are barely civil to people who disagree with them. (It's kind of an Internet tradition, going back to the days when Usenet was called Uzinet because of all the personal sniping.)

 

I'm not as active on a.net as I used to be; but you have to admire their forums for being really fast and thorough with the facts of breaking news - much better than the general press.  OTOH,  I once posted that only the first fifteen posts in an a.net thread were worth reading, after that it was just repetition and ignorance.  Got rapped on the knuckles for that one.  Cool 

July 1, 2012
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Personally, I never go there ever for any reason what so ever. Don't need it and don't want the hassle.

If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.

July 2, 2012
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Mark Plumley said
Personally, I never go there ever for any reason what so ever. Don't need it and don't want the hassle.

I'm with Mark - once Opshots started I pretty much forgot about a.net.  Too many morons who don't know what they're talking about. 

July 3, 2012
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Confused

   I do get really mad at A.net and flyer talk.   Have been a loyal Ua flyer  (1.6 million miles all on Ua  and about 99% on PMUA metal and from Cle)   As a Ua hub flyer before Co came to town in the 1980's I stayed with Ua even with the flights only to 3 hubs from Cle.  But it is great to be all United again and flying non-stop all over the country rather than connecting.

 

  I am happy to see the terminal improvements (flooring in C) and just like everyone hoping to keep the hub.  I am more optimistic than many--but think we can make it.  The business center markets are the key and looks like we are doing fine with them with some increases to  Lga,Phl, Stl, Ord  for example.  Cle-Sfo looks like more feed to Asia also.

 

So just can let the negative posts get to us.

 

TK

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July 3, 2012
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Back in 2006 I came across A.Net on a computer at Berea. After spending a lot of time looking at the photos there, the voice in my head said, "I can do that!" A year later I scraped together enough cash my a Fuji point and shoot digital camera, and now I have a hobby I love. Thru A.Net I have had contact with and actually met with spotters from Canada and Europe who have been to Cleveland. Anyone who contacts me thru them always gets an OPShots plug and directed to our own little paradise for our brand of civil conversation and great photography. I made my first sale of aircraft photos to an aerospace company in Florida based on what they saw of my pics posted there. Twice I've had the most viewed photo of the day there. I enjoy the great  aviation photography I see there. I enjoy the challenge of getting my photos thru their screening process. I stay out of the forums unless I see someone asking for advise about spotting in Cleveland. I'm not going to let a few knuckleheads there keep me away from a website I enjoy.

 

Having said all that, my success at A.Net is a result of being a member of the OPShots community. Thank you Chuck for running the outstanding aviation website. Thank you Mark for all the technical work you put into OPShots. Thank you everyone else for the kind comments on my photos and support over the past five years!

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