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The Ax Finally Falls: UA To Reduce CLE Flying By 60% By June
February 2, 2014
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Not an original thought with anyone who has any knowledge of the business, but I'm beginning to wonder if UA didn't try to purposely price itself out of the CLE market, so they had the excuse to dump it, and move assets elsewhere.  There is really no sane reason why fares out of CLE have been so high since the merger.

 

And i wouldn't put such a move beyond Smisek.    And I guarantee you Jeff won't come to CLE and answer questions on this one.   

 

One more observation.  The UA BOD meeting is slated for CLE this summer.   Care to guess if it'll move?  The UA Board won't exactly be welcome with open arms here/

February 2, 2014
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This is indeed troubling, especially since a little over a year ago the airline said we were fine. As a non business traveler I have not flown out of Cleveland due to the price on any airline for a long time. Detroit, Pittsburgh, Columbus and Akron have been hundreds cheaper on every occasion when I have flown. I feel bad for the employees and the airport, there are many unknowns right now but I bet someone will pick up some of these flights. There is just to much money sitting to be made for no one to pick them up. For spotters it may be a good time as maybe some new carriers will frequent our skies, although it will take some time to get them in here. 

This is the second time now that this airline has un hubbed us. 

 

 

 

 

 

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February 3, 2014
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UA is moving annual meeting from Cleveland to Chicago: Guess there's no great surprise here.

 

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February 4, 2014
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For the best analysis of the Cle market read the report by the Mike Boyd group put out yesterday. It is spot on. The remaining flights and service for Cle are exactly what we support and will do fine.  Most of the cancelled routes have 10 or less originating passengers for day.   Expect one quick change is that AC will be up gauging service and freq to Toronto as part of star and connections that they will lose some Ua feed.

February 4, 2014
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tk, Boyd, being a consultant himself, might have a different view if CLE hired him.

 

There are a few business routes that CLE needs back in a hurry.  BDL, PHX, RIC, RDU, and MSN.  The first four have enough traffic to perhaps interest somebody; Madison, maybe not.  Cry

February 4, 2014
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For the best analysis of the Cle market read the report by the Mike Boyd group put out yesterday. It is spot on. The remaining flights and service for Cle are exactly what we support and will do fine.  Most of the cancelled routes have 10 or less originating passengers for day.   Expect one quick change is that AC will be up gauging service and freq to Toronto as part of star and connections that they will lose some Ua feed.

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Wonder what the affect will be on diversions?

 

With less UA support staff, and not being a "hub," will they be less incline to send aircraft to CLE once the RJ hub is gone?  Or will there still be a legacy reputation for intl diversions that would send UA traffic here?

February 4, 2014
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For the best analysis of the Cle market read the report by the Mike Boyd group put out yesterday. It is spot on. The remaining flights and service for Cle are exactly what we support and will do fine.  Most of the cancelled routes have 10 or less originating passengers for day.   Expect one quick change is that AC will be up gauging service and freq to Toronto as part of star and connections that they will lose some Ua feed.

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Good read thanks for the link. Going to be an interesting summer. 

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February 5, 2014
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ysitincoach said
Wonder what the affect will be on diversions?

 

With less UA support staff, and not being a "hub," will they be less incline to send aircraft to CLE once the RJ hub is gone?  Or will there still be a legacy reputation for intl diversions that would send UA traffic here?

 

I think they already have eliminated most diversions.  About a year ago in the "Anything Goes" forum, I started a "Where are all the diversions?" topic, but nobody picked up on it much.  I bet Delta send more diversions to CLE than UA did in 2013.

I hate to sound like a Kennedy conspiracy theorist, but UA has been planning this pull down for a good while.

February 5, 2014
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I'm still of the opinion that United, since the merger, wanted CLE to fail.  It was just waiting for the right time to pull the plug.

 

Airfares out of CLE have been skyrocketing on UA,  and  it's been a major complaint, especially among business travelers.  Connections in CLE were sometimes with several hour layovers; CLE had a higher percentage of turboprops than any other hub, and the continuing problems with Commutair, Silver and Republic and their prop fleets were a festering embarrassment to workers in CLE, and drove away many frequent fliers who were tired of the incessant hours-long delays and cancellations due to MX on those aircraft; the down-gauging of IAH and EWR service to CR7's or E170's during the week, and to ERJ's on weekends to both markets pissed off frequent fliers to no end.

 

None of the core problems in CLE, especially the utter lack of reliability among the turboprop operations, were ever addressed.  The problem became acute in 2011, when Commutair got a hold of the Q300's.   They had a terrible time getting them certified to fly, and let the MX on the 200's lapse as a result.  In the summer of 2011, I'd wager that at least 60% of all Commutair flights in/out of CLE canceled due to MX.  I worked a lot of days at Piers 17 and 28, and it was an utter embarrassment.  I can even remember aircraft being called good to go-I could see them being brought up from the hanger, and as they were coming up, they were canceled.  It was a joke.  So, what did CLE management do?  They took away the employee's ability to get buses and other ground transportation for people going to cities like ERI, CMH, BUF, etc, because we were using them so often.  So we inconvenienced our pax even more.   

 

Then when UA signed a new contract with Commutair, they made completion factor a way for C5 to get paid by UA.  Consequently, C5 since then has run flights 4, 5, 6 hours, late, and delaying the rest of the ops,  just to meet the completion factor thresholds.  I worked a flight in 2013 to ROC that ended up 10 HOURS late, because of a broken prop in IND.   It was supposed to be a 4pm departure, and left just before 2am.  In fact, when the crew and aircraft arrived in CLE, the crew informed the agents that dispatch told them to simply overfly CLE and leave the 16 pax still waiting to go to ROC there, because they were worried about the crew timing out and not being able to complete the flight.

 

Through all of this, local and corporate management consistently said they were aware of all these problems and all these complaints, yet nothing changed.

 

So, yes, I believe UA wanted CLE to fail.  They got their wish.

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